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	<title>Comments on: Torture is for countries ruled by desperate fools</title>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/torture-is-for-countries-run-by-desparate-fools/#comment-3416</link>
		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: Araboushim is Israeli slang that is roughly equivalent to niggers or kikes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: Araboushim is Israeli slang that is roughly equivalent to niggers or kikes</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/torture-is-for-countries-run-by-desparate-fools/#comment-3415</link>
		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward&#039;s account in his book Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA, 1981-1987. Little is known beyond the bare facts, thanks to rigorous adherence to the doctrine that we do not investigate our own crimes (unless they become too prominent to suppress, and the inquiry can be limited to some low-level &quot;bad apples&quot; who were naturally &quot;out of control&quot;). 

Here we are now with hope, and just look what the cat dragged in for secretary of state the wife of former President Bill Clinton who was a fresh new hopeful at the time of his election: “….. when Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of the al-Shifa plant, it was obvious that it would lead to a humanitarian catastrophe. Human Rights Watch immediately informed him of this, providing details; nevertheless, he and his advisers did not intend to kill specific people among those who would inevitably die when half the pharmaceutical supplies were destroyed in a poor African country that could not replenish them. 
Rather, they and their apologists regarded Africans much as we do the ants we crush while walking down a street. We are aware that it is likely to happen (if we bother to think about it), but we do not intend to kill them because they are not worthy of such consideration. Needless to say, comparable attacks by Araboushim in areas inhabited by human beings would be regarded rather differently. 
If, for a moment, we can adopt the perspective of the world, we might ask which criminals are wanted the world over.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward&#8217;s account in his book Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA, 1981-1987. Little is known beyond the bare facts, thanks to rigorous adherence to the doctrine that we do not investigate our own crimes (unless they become too prominent to suppress, and the inquiry can be limited to some low-level &#8220;bad apples&#8221; who were naturally &#8220;out of control&#8221;). </p>
<p>Here we are now with hope, and just look what the cat dragged in for secretary of state the wife of former President Bill Clinton who was a fresh new hopeful at the time of his election: “….. when Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of the al-Shifa plant, it was obvious that it would lead to a humanitarian catastrophe. Human Rights Watch immediately informed him of this, providing details; nevertheless, he and his advisers did not intend to kill specific people among those who would inevitably die when half the pharmaceutical supplies were destroyed in a poor African country that could not replenish them.<br />
Rather, they and their apologists regarded Africans much as we do the ants we crush while walking down a street. We are aware that it is likely to happen (if we bother to think about it), but we do not intend to kill them because they are not worthy of such consideration. Needless to say, comparable attacks by Araboushim in areas inhabited by human beings would be regarded rather differently.<br />
If, for a moment, we can adopt the perspective of the world, we might ask which criminals are wanted the world over.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DeTant Blomhat</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/torture-is-for-countries-run-by-desparate-fools/#comment-3407</link>
		<dc:creator>DeTant Blomhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See now here is a recent example of real problems:

&quot;Hello to everyone! this morning I was feeling bit down because I can&#039;t find not even one job in Helsinki, so desperatly I searched on the net and I found this forum where I hope i can share my feelings and hopefully receive some nice words from some new friends or some strenght to keep on going! My name is X, I&#039;m 25 years old and I come from Italy. Almost 1 month ago I moved to Helsinki where I&#039;m living permanently with my Finnish boyfriend. As many others I&#039;m looking for a job and I don&#039;t talk fluent Finnish. 

I know I must learn it as soon as possible but let me say that I don&#039;t understand how it&#039;s possibly so hard to get a very basic job even without the Finnish. I mean I hard that Finnish society is looking for new workers even from abroad because are needed but then once u are here even to be a cleaner you must have a fluent Finnish! I know is the mother tongue, but it&#039;s also true that almost everyone in here talks english very well. Anyway I especially angry with the recruitment agencies! none of them offered any job, it felt I was bordering the assistents when i went to ask for jobs.

I don&#039;t talk fluent finnish but I have already studied so I&#039;ve some basics, but still isn&#039;t enough even to clean dishes! I mean If they need workers how can they aspect them to talk fluent Finnish which is one of the most difficult language in the world! it takes years! then in the other hand I hard from a lot of foreigns who don&#039;t speak at all Finnish working as waiter/waitress, cleaner, wash disher etc etc......

So, I wondering what am I doing wrong? or if I&#039;m contacting the wrong recruitment agencies because as I said I know some basic Finnish but by now the only answers I got from the angecies are they need a fluent language skills!!

Sorry for this &quot;outburst&quot; :) Maybe I said silly things but It&#039;s just that I&#039;m very kicking to start to work hard and it&#039;s frustrating to see that nobodies wants to give me the chance to. A society which is in a way &quot;wasting&quot; a lot of work power coming from the foreign as me who moved here very willing and motived to work and learn and increase = increase also the proficts of the companies. That&#039;s my opinio, which could be totally wrong..&quot;

See now - locate the &quot;real problem&quot; and discuss the &quot;real problem&quot; and don&#039;t whine about some imaginary &quot;discrimination&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See now here is a recent example of real problems:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hello to everyone! this morning I was feeling bit down because I can&#8217;t find not even one job in Helsinki, so desperatly I searched on the net and I found this forum where I hope i can share my feelings and hopefully receive some nice words from some new friends or some strenght to keep on going! My name is X, I&#8217;m 25 years old and I come from Italy. Almost 1 month ago I moved to Helsinki where I&#8217;m living permanently with my Finnish boyfriend. As many others I&#8217;m looking for a job and I don&#8217;t talk fluent Finnish. </p>
<p>I know I must learn it as soon as possible but let me say that I don&#8217;t understand how it&#8217;s possibly so hard to get a very basic job even without the Finnish. I mean I hard that Finnish society is looking for new workers even from abroad because are needed but then once u are here even to be a cleaner you must have a fluent Finnish! I know is the mother tongue, but it&#8217;s also true that almost everyone in here talks english very well. Anyway I especially angry with the recruitment agencies! none of them offered any job, it felt I was bordering the assistents when i went to ask for jobs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t talk fluent finnish but I have already studied so I&#8217;ve some basics, but still isn&#8217;t enough even to clean dishes! I mean If they need workers how can they aspect them to talk fluent Finnish which is one of the most difficult language in the world! it takes years! then in the other hand I hard from a lot of foreigns who don&#8217;t speak at all Finnish working as waiter/waitress, cleaner, wash disher etc etc&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>So, I wondering what am I doing wrong? or if I&#8217;m contacting the wrong recruitment agencies because as I said I know some basic Finnish but by now the only answers I got from the angecies are they need a fluent language skills!!</p>
<p>Sorry for this &#8220;outburst&#8221; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Maybe I said silly things but It&#8217;s just that I&#8217;m very kicking to start to work hard and it&#8217;s frustrating to see that nobodies wants to give me the chance to. A society which is in a way &#8220;wasting&#8221; a lot of work power coming from the foreign as me who moved here very willing and motived to work and learn and increase = increase also the proficts of the companies. That&#8217;s my opinio, which could be totally wrong..&#8221;</p>
<p>See now &#8211; locate the &#8220;real problem&#8221; and discuss the &#8220;real problem&#8221; and don&#8217;t whine about some imaginary &#8220;discrimination&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DeTant Blomhat</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/torture-is-for-countries-run-by-desparate-fools/#comment-3403</link>
		<dc:creator>DeTant Blomhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreigners who scream &quot;racism&quot; every time their own shortcomings cause them a problem is not a problem with discrimination. Real problems is what you should be talking about. Not someones hurt feelings when he is told what the rules are and he screams racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreigners who scream &#8220;racism&#8221; every time their own shortcomings cause them a problem is not a problem with discrimination. Real problems is what you should be talking about. Not someones hurt feelings when he is told what the rules are and he screams racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/torture-is-for-countries-run-by-desparate-fools/#comment-3375</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is telling you how to live? All that they are telling you is to follow the law. Discrimination is a crime punishable by the law and we should speak out against it wherever and whenever it appears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is telling you how to live? All that they are telling you is to follow the law. Discrimination is a crime punishable by the law and we should speak out against it wherever and whenever it appears.</p>
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		<title>By: DeTant Blomhat</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/torture-is-for-countries-run-by-desparate-fools/#comment-3372</link>
		<dc:creator>DeTant Blomhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well why do they come to our house and tell us how to live? We have laws here and a society with our way of life based on those laws. So it is not up to them decide which of these laws to obey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well why do they come to our house and tell us how to live? We have laws here and a society with our way of life based on those laws. So it is not up to them decide which of these laws to obey.</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what would you want to &quot;impose&quot;  on foreigners? Certainly there are laws and everyone must follow them irrespective of their background.  The majority culture must respect the rights of the minorities. For one, they have a right to keep their identity. Why is this such a big issue? Do you go to your neighbors home and tell him how he should live?

With respect to historical memory in Spain, I think it is a good matter that they try to resolve the atrocities of the past so they won&#039;t be committed again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what would you want to &#8220;impose&#8221;  on foreigners? Certainly there are laws and everyone must follow them irrespective of their background.  The majority culture must respect the rights of the minorities. For one, they have a right to keep their identity. Why is this such a big issue? Do you go to your neighbors home and tell him how he should live?</p>
<p>With respect to historical memory in Spain, I think it is a good matter that they try to resolve the atrocities of the past so they won&#8217;t be committed again.</p>
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		<title>By: DeTant Blomhat</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/torture-is-for-countries-run-by-desparate-fools/#comment-3326</link>
		<dc:creator>DeTant Blomhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you yourself write we must let the foreigners live as they want to. And that we have no say in how they live in our country, and we must respect their ways and customs. That is multiculturalism. You promote it, not I. 

And as you know being silent of the problem means it goes away
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Garzon/inhibe/causa/investiga/franquismo/favor/juzgados/territoriales/elpepuesp/20081118elpepunac_2/Tes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you yourself write we must let the foreigners live as they want to. And that we have no say in how they live in our country, and we must respect their ways and customs. That is multiculturalism. You promote it, not I. </p>
<p>And as you know being silent of the problem means it goes away<br />
<a href="http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Garzon/inhibe/causa/investiga/franquismo/favor/juzgados/territoriales/elpepuesp/20081118elpepunac_2/Tes" rel="nofollow">http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Garzon/inhibe/causa/investiga/franquismo/favor/juzgados/territoriales/elpepuesp/20081118elpepunac_2/Tes</a></p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/torture-is-for-countries-run-by-desparate-fools/#comment-3323</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are pulling my leg, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are pulling my leg, right?</p>
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		<title>By: DeTant Blomhat</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/torture-is-for-countries-run-by-desparate-fools/#comment-3322</link>
		<dc:creator>DeTant Blomhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you yourself say if someone wants to bring this Argentinian system to Finland  we should respect it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you yourself say if someone wants to bring this Argentinian system to Finland  we should respect it?</p>
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