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	<title>Comments on: Kai Pöntinen uses the immigrant-bashing card to get votes</title>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/kai-ponttinen-uses-the-immigrant-bashing-card-to-get-votes/#comment-6603</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Victory, thank you for sharing your powerful thoughts with us. I could not agree more with what you said! Thank you for clearing the heavy air that sometimes permeates to this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Victory, thank you for sharing your powerful thoughts with us. I could not agree more with what you said! Thank you for clearing the heavy air that sometimes permeates to this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Victory</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/kai-ponttinen-uses-the-immigrant-bashing-card-to-get-votes/#comment-6602</link>
		<dc:creator>Victory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s get some perspective here, fellow commentators. 

&quot;Immigrant&quot; does not equal any of these things: non-white, Moslem, rapist, circumcised female, pedophile, criminal, thief, unemployed, unemployable, homophobic, murderer, prostitute, stupid, lazy. It seems from these comments that some of you are assuming it does - all these and a lot of other things besides. 

&quot;Non-white&quot; and &quot;Moslem&quot; also don&#039;t equal each other; nor does either of them equal any of those other things on the above list. 

Stop judging people on the basis of one of the many labels they bear. Stop spreading bigoted hate and associating whatever you find repulsive with people based on their legal situation. There&#039;s terrible power in such associations. Let each person&#039;s actions speak for himself; not the actions of others in his situation. 

Written by a Finnish immigrant to Belgium who neither does drugs nor is a prostitute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s get some perspective here, fellow commentators. </p>
<p>&#8220;Immigrant&#8221; does not equal any of these things: non-white, Moslem, rapist, circumcised female, pedophile, criminal, thief, unemployed, unemployable, homophobic, murderer, prostitute, stupid, lazy. It seems from these comments that some of you are assuming it does &#8211; all these and a lot of other things besides. </p>
<p>&#8220;Non-white&#8221; and &#8220;Moslem&#8221; also don&#8217;t equal each other; nor does either of them equal any of those other things on the above list. </p>
<p>Stop judging people on the basis of one of the many labels they bear. Stop spreading bigoted hate and associating whatever you find repulsive with people based on their legal situation. There&#8217;s terrible power in such associations. Let each person&#8217;s actions speak for himself; not the actions of others in his situation. </p>
<p>Written by a Finnish immigrant to Belgium who neither does drugs nor is a prostitute.</p>
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		<title>By: JusticeDemon</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/kai-ponttinen-uses-the-immigrant-bashing-card-to-get-votes/#comment-5967</link>
		<dc:creator>JusticeDemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning that Supreme Court judgement cited by Referee in the posting on June 4, 2009 at 10:21 am, how many of you actually bothered to read the judgement to the end and see how the case turned out?

If anything, this case merely illustrates a peculiarity of the Finnish social security system. The outcome will come as no surprise to anyone who understands the corresponding system in the UK, for example, where it has always been perfectly legal to claim benefit under a false name, provided that the applicant&#039;s financial circumstances are correctly reported and the applicant does not claim the same benefit twice over.

Nothing in this case suggests that the defendant was not genuinely seeking work and/or training, so it is far from clear how the idea of a &quot;welfare bum&quot; can apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning that Supreme Court judgement cited by Referee in the posting on June 4, 2009 at 10:21 am, how many of you actually bothered to read the judgement to the end and see how the case turned out?</p>
<p>If anything, this case merely illustrates a peculiarity of the Finnish social security system. The outcome will come as no surprise to anyone who understands the corresponding system in the UK, for example, where it has always been perfectly legal to claim benefit under a false name, provided that the applicant&#8217;s financial circumstances are correctly reported and the applicant does not claim the same benefit twice over.</p>
<p>Nothing in this case suggests that the defendant was not genuinely seeking work and/or training, so it is far from clear how the idea of a &#8220;welfare bum&#8221; can apply.</p>
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		<title>By: DeTant Blomhat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeTant Blomhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Multiculturalism has a tragicomic flair to it. How about facing the fact that Finland is Finland. People come to Finland because they want to, as it is Finland. If Finland was a foreign country then nobody would want to be here - theres cheaper countries out there. If yoiu want to live in Canada go to Canada - I want to live in Finbland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Multiculturalism has a tragicomic flair to it. How about facing the fact that Finland is Finland. People come to Finland because they want to, as it is Finland. If Finland was a foreign country then nobody would want to be here &#8211; theres cheaper countries out there. If yoiu want to live in Canada go to Canada &#8211; I want to live in Finbland.</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--Enrique: These people come from dysfunctional countries – the type we do not want to copy.

Of course we do not want to copy them because we are an example of a well-functioning society. However, I do not agree with your predictions on what multiculturalism will do to Finland. It does not take into account that people change and actually may like living in this country. Multiculturalism in my opinion means an acknowledgment by the dominant culture that it accepts and respects minorities. By respect I mean MUTUAL respect.  

--Finland is racism and xenophobia and blaa blaa blaa. We must embrace dysfunctionality and celebrate it!

Your sarcasm has a tragic-comic flare to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;Enrique: These people come from dysfunctional countries – the type we do not want to copy.</p>
<p>Of course we do not want to copy them because we are an example of a well-functioning society. However, I do not agree with your predictions on what multiculturalism will do to Finland. It does not take into account that people change and actually may like living in this country. Multiculturalism in my opinion means an acknowledgment by the dominant culture that it accepts and respects minorities. By respect I mean MUTUAL respect.  </p>
<p>&#8211;Finland is racism and xenophobia and blaa blaa blaa. We must embrace dysfunctionality and celebrate it!</p>
<p>Your sarcasm has a tragic-comic flare to it.</p>
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		<title>By: DeTant Blomhat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeTant Blomhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enrique: These people come from dysfunctional countries – the type we do not want to copy. 

But you do - thats multiculturalism. You want us to respect their dysfunctional ways and let Finland be destroyed as theres a few thousand dysfunctional countries in the world. Because wanting Finland to stay Finland is racism and xenophobia and blaa blaa blaa. We must embrace dysfunctionality and celebrate it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enrique: These people come from dysfunctional countries – the type we do not want to copy. </p>
<p>But you do &#8211; thats multiculturalism. You want us to respect their dysfunctional ways and let Finland be destroyed as theres a few thousand dysfunctional countries in the world. Because wanting Finland to stay Finland is racism and xenophobia and blaa blaa blaa. We must embrace dysfunctionality and celebrate it!</p>
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		<title>By: Juuso Peltoniemi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juuso Peltoniemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You also do not get it: living in the 21st century isthe capacity to live with difference.&quot;

At least we know now that you support female circumcision... after all it&#039;s some peoples culture and we must learn to accept it. Right? 

I&#039;m not going accepect your constant bitching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You also do not get it: living in the 21st century isthe capacity to live with difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>At least we know now that you support female circumcision&#8230; after all it&#8217;s some peoples culture and we must learn to accept it. Right? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going accepect your constant bitching.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiwaz</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/kai-ponttinen-uses-the-immigrant-bashing-card-to-get-votes/#comment-5695</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiwaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Obama and his &quot;pearl&quot; of wisdom that we should &quot;concentrate on similarities not differences&quot;. It is also stupidity.

When machine does not work, it does not work. You do not fix it by staring at parts which DO work, but looking at parts which do NOT work.

Same with cultural conflict. Closing your eyes and hiding head in sand will not make problems go away. It will just let them fester and grow bigger and more radical. 

Until there is no longer any way to prevent violent outburst.

Cultural contact SHOULD pay lots of attention to differences, because if those are ignored they will lead to conflict. And in immigration, it should be made clear from day one to everyone that native culture has right of way. Immigrants adjust.

Because no alternative works on long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Obama and his &#8220;pearl&#8221; of wisdom that we should &#8220;concentrate on similarities not differences&#8221;. It is also stupidity.</p>
<p>When machine does not work, it does not work. You do not fix it by staring at parts which DO work, but looking at parts which do NOT work.</p>
<p>Same with cultural conflict. Closing your eyes and hiding head in sand will not make problems go away. It will just let them fester and grow bigger and more radical. </p>
<p>Until there is no longer any way to prevent violent outburst.</p>
<p>Cultural contact SHOULD pay lots of attention to differences, because if those are ignored they will lead to conflict. And in immigration, it should be made clear from day one to everyone that native culture has right of way. Immigrants adjust.</p>
<p>Because no alternative works on long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiwaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiwaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enrique, Barak Obama is guy with money and power. He has ability to talk BS for political gain since he has nothing to fear.

As for Muslim achievements. Yes, they managed to present much scientific stuff in ages long gone, large portion of it was actually just preserving Greek knowledge which was lost in Europe.

So what?

That time was centuries ago. Back then, Islam was perhaps progressive. But then they hit the brakes and stopped still. Europe did not. 

Today Islam tries to live as if world was still in Middle ages. What have they given to this world TODAY?

Last century?

Let&#039;s sum it up as nothing. Terrorism, violence, barbaric practices...

Today Islam does not demonstrate any of the things Barak tries to complement. It does not show great tolerance, where Islam manages to gain strong hold it tries to squeeze the life from all competition. It does not show peace, it seeks to spread through violence. It does not show progress of knowledge, it seeks to deny science and stick to old book full of fairytales about God.
It denies social progress, GAYS MUST BE STONED AND WOMEN MUTILATED FOR IT IS WILL OF ALLAH!

If this was Middle Ages, I would admire Islam. But this is not. This is 21st century, Islam is by and large still stuck on 12th century. They have to work really hard to switch those numbers around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enrique, Barak Obama is guy with money and power. He has ability to talk BS for political gain since he has nothing to fear.</p>
<p>As for Muslim achievements. Yes, they managed to present much scientific stuff in ages long gone, large portion of it was actually just preserving Greek knowledge which was lost in Europe.</p>
<p>So what?</p>
<p>That time was centuries ago. Back then, Islam was perhaps progressive. But then they hit the brakes and stopped still. Europe did not. </p>
<p>Today Islam tries to live as if world was still in Middle ages. What have they given to this world TODAY?</p>
<p>Last century?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s sum it up as nothing. Terrorism, violence, barbaric practices&#8230;</p>
<p>Today Islam does not demonstrate any of the things Barak tries to complement. It does not show great tolerance, where Islam manages to gain strong hold it tries to squeeze the life from all competition. It does not show peace, it seeks to spread through violence. It does not show progress of knowledge, it seeks to deny science and stick to old book full of fairytales about God.<br />
It denies social progress, GAYS MUST BE STONED AND WOMEN MUTILATED FOR IT IS WILL OF ALLAH!</p>
<p>If this was Middle Ages, I would admire Islam. But this is not. This is 21st century, Islam is by and large still stuck on 12th century. They have to work really hard to switch those numbers around.</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
		<link>http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/kai-ponttinen-uses-the-immigrant-bashing-card-to-get-votes/#comment-5693</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiwaz, here is something for you that President Barak Obama said in his landmark speech in Cairo: &quot;As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. It was Islam — at places like Al-Azhar — that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities — (applause) — it was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. (Applause.)&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiwaz, here is something for you that President Barak Obama said in his landmark speech in Cairo: &#8220;As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. It was Islam — at places like Al-Azhar — that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities — (applause) — it was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. (Applause.)&#8221;</p>
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